January 3, 2025

82 thoughts on “Free Music Downloads

  1. What – who is going to sit looking at the website looking at ads while their song is being downloaded??

  2. Yeah, there would seem to be some questions about how you can feasibly prove to advertisers that people are actually sitting there and not flipping over to something else. However, if they figure out a way to make me, I wouldn’t really mind watching a 90 second ad to get free access to a song. You wouldn’t?

  3. Well, I wouldn’t. Personally I would rather pay a buck than watch an ad unless they were very short and very uncommon. Lots of people have a much warmer relationship with advertising than I do, though. I mean, you only have to look at TV. That is a massive success based on the fact that people are really going to sit in front of the TV looking at ads while waiting for their program to come back on.

    I think Hame is suggesting it won’t translate to the web because we can multi-task? Like if it were me, I would most likely switch to another tab while it did its thing. But most consumers aren’t like that. They don’t have tabs. Also – and this is far-fetched, I know – if the ads are good, even I will sit around watching them.

    This site will probably be a failure, because of the conditions: can’t share, can’t burn to CD, must keep logging in and watching more ads or songs ‘expire’, don’t work on iPod. This is the ‘superior experience’ to pirating? Even if their business model proves feasible, their poor offering will almost certainly sink it. Which is a pity, because truth be told, sometimes I do sit around watching the TV ads.

    Incidentally, you probably know this already, but iTMS isn’t really profitable – Apple make their money on the iPods. If it didn’t have such massive marketshare, it could even be operating at a loss. Man, who wouldn’t want to enter that market.

  4. Interesting last point. Do you have some links to back that up? I find it VERY hard to believe that it costs more to provide a download of a song than $1. Unless of course the recording companies are making them pay them $1.50 per song (which doesn’t seem unrealistic).

  5. http://daringfireball.net/2004/08/2004_wont_be_like_1984
    http://daringfireball.net/2004/01/the_hbomb
    http://daringfireball.net/2005/02/magic_8ball_napster

    Kinda long, but they are full of interesting stuff. To clarify, when I said iTMS isn’t really profitable, it might be a bit profitable. And I’m sure it is, because it is a raging success. I think they’ve reached 1 billion songs downloaded now? But heaps of that $1 goes to the record companies, some goes to Apple, and they have plenty of costs to cover. Anyway, the crux of it is, iTMS isn’t there to make money. It probably does anyway, which is why it must be so great to be an Apple shareholder these days, but Apple is a hardware company and they are making stacks of dosh on the iPods themselves.

    One quotation from above links:
    “Yes, Apple makes way more money selling iPods than they do songs at the iTMS. Yes, Apple probably only makes about 10 cents per song sold. And, yes, Steve Jobs has stated that the iTMS is a loss-leader (“break-even-leader” is perhaps more apt) intended to sell more iPods.”

    Also consider:
    “E.g., according to Apple, to date they’ve sold over 10 million iPods, and over 250 million songs have been downloaded from iTMS (which is not to say they’ve sold 250 million songs). That averages out to about 25 iTMS songs per iPod.”

  6. Yeah, that was interesting. Would certainly make buying movies cheaper for kiwis (about NZ$24 at current exchange rates).

    I have a question. The original service we’re discussing is going to limit users by their IP Address. Anyone with any sort of a dark side knows that it’s possible to mask your IP address with a false address.

    Presumably it would be fairly easy to do this, and then to use the service. If you watch all the ads, would it be just as morally wrong as downloading them off the net?

  7. Well, my personal take is that the US-only rule is stupid (unfair, exclusionary, etc.), and so circumventing is not only right, but commendable and valorous. Taking a less anarchic perspective, I still think it’s OK, although if, say, the ads were targeted at US citizens and had no value on you, it could be argued that you are wasting their ad dollars and thus stealing.

    I suppose one important issue is that legally, it is still wrong, which could be a sticky point.

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